Modern Times: Camille Paglia & Jordan B Peterson August 8, 2019 100 By William Hollis Related posts: The Perilous State of the University: Jonathan Haidt & Jordan B Peterson Biblical Series II: Genesis 1: Chaos & Order Armed Man Invades Movie Theater Iron Man 3 Premiere Real Life Psychopaths (Crime Psychology Documentary) – Real Stories CategoryArticles BlogTagsand Camille Paglia College Derrida Diversity Equity Erich Neumann Existentialism Foucault Free Speech Freud Inclusiveness Jordan B Peterson Jung Lecture Left Wing Literary Criticism Marxism NeoMarxism PC Personality Polarization Political Correctness politics Postmodernism Professor Psychology Right Wing SJW Social Justice Social Justice Warrior that the The Sixties University 100 Comments inwoo park says: July 8, 2019 at 1:15 am When you clean your room Reply Chaos Scribbles says: July 8, 2019 at 6:26 am Drinking game: take a shot everytime Camille says "okay" Reply Damian La Spada says: July 8, 2019 at 7:58 am 35:40 mins. Men can longer stand up.. ever. My colleagues and myself have tried so many times but the system is now bullet proof in their destruction of white men. Observed and experienced repercussions include being publicly shamed, shunned, ostracised and humiliated, immediately sacked from your job, banned for life from your industry, never again employable, then your family breaks down because you can no longer afford to house them. In some radical places like Australia, you can even face imprisonment. For recent news, look at the treatment of Israel Filou. He suffered all of these things for standing up. Reply polyglot8 says: July 8, 2019 at 12:11 pm Sacré bleu! Those damn French again! Reply Peaches Kong says: July 8, 2019 at 7:34 pm Not sure if this was a debate or just a complete roast session Reply jay grannell says: July 9, 2019 at 6:21 am How many cats does she own? Reply Evil abby says: July 10, 2019 at 4:09 am So the game is, we drink each time she says OK! Good luck! Reply Troy Streacker says: July 10, 2019 at 5:43 pm 1 hr 43 min…. that's a movie…1.9 million views…$10 per ticket…$19 million dollars in revenue…….. Reply Akiva777 says: July 10, 2019 at 9:26 pm I wish I'd had tutors as inspiring as these two when I was at university. Reply Indy B says: July 10, 2019 at 10:47 pm omg i am a minute in, and she's already talking 100000 miles per second Reply Lindsay Temple says: July 10, 2019 at 11:49 pm Anyone whom this video deeply resonated with (especially other women), please reach out to me on here or via IG at @lindsaytempleexpress . It is very challenging finding other 20-somethings who see what I see of our world, of the Western world. There is such an attack on our isolated sense of self, on sociology, psychology and so forth, and attempting to express an altered opinion ends in name calling. I don't blame the brainwashed for thinking the way they do; social media and universities are training us all to think this way. But if you found yourself agreeing with Peterson and Paglia, I would love to form some semblance of camaraderie with you. Does not matter who you are. Reply Ismael Quintana says: July 11, 2019 at 1:12 am Sit these two down again! Great discussion. Reply CDTJosh says: July 11, 2019 at 5:57 am Around the 58:00min mark. Camille says men will rebuild civilization again whilst the women cower in the houses. Well no we fuckin won't. All this equality, independent, "we can do what you can do" feminism bullshit will backfire. And it will be their turn to go out there and work and rebuild it. I'll be damned if men are manshamed at the moment for women to pick and choose the times they're so empowered and capable. Let them go out into the world and slave 40+hours a week in the sun doing labour and see how they turn out. It'll be the men's turn to stay inside cosey and cook a meal. Sounds good to me. 👍 Reply Mahna Farms says: July 11, 2019 at 10:34 am Thank you so much Dr. Peterson. You and Camille are a refugee of sanity for me during this time of year when we are bombarded by wave after wave of Rainbow rampage. Reply Mac Coleman says: July 11, 2019 at 8:21 pm This discussion compares favorably to what I grew up listening to in the Red Meadow Bar in Helena, Montana, as I cleared tables and washed dishes as a teenager. Yup, I worked in a bar as a teenager. But, I don't drink and never have. But, I did listen. Maybe that is why I wish there were still real men and women growing up these days. Sigh. Reply Ellis Reyes says: July 12, 2019 at 12:29 am What a magnificent duo. Proff.Peterson is calm and collected and Proff.Paglia speaks her mind as fast as she can. Both complement each other. Reply Vanderson Fernandes dos Santos says: July 12, 2019 at 9:44 pm Camille Paglia is the only feminist I respect. Reply Alexandre Iunklaus says: July 13, 2019 at 3:57 am Ok, Both is extraordinary and brilliant. She is one of the smart woman I've ever listen. But, how come such smart person, who trashed Hillary Clinton and is completely (correctly) against Trump can endorse Sanders? He is pretty much what she despite of 60s and 70s. Reply Let`s Talk About It says: July 13, 2019 at 8:53 am STOP SAYING "RIGHT" AND "OK"!!!! Reply Kruelty Kampaign says: July 13, 2019 at 12:14 pm reezontimont Reply supreme1 says: July 14, 2019 at 4:37 am Men are needed. If they arent ,then all men troops come home and replace them with an allllll female roster. Would any one do that? Lol. Fuck no!!- we would all be speaking russian. Reply supreme1 says: July 14, 2019 at 4:41 am This is one of the best intellectual talks ive ever seen. . great! Reply Dan Drory says: July 14, 2019 at 6:09 am I hope she reads this. She is very smart, but when she gets excited… difficult to listen to. I tried to count the amount of times she said "Okey?" and "Right?"… Her poor students. When she teaches with such passion she dilutes the pleasure of listening to a bright woman, with borderline sounding old (and wrong) steriotype of hysteria. Not trying to offend. Reply Michael Thatcher says: July 14, 2019 at 9:30 am Aw I know Jordan, it’s so annoying and confusing how we can’t hit women 🙁 Reply Tera toma says: July 14, 2019 at 3:57 pm throughout the video, I felt this woman needs to get laid Reply Tera toma says: July 14, 2019 at 4:06 pm too much "ism" Reply 00000 0000 says: July 14, 2019 at 8:21 pm Terrifyingly fantastic woman! I feel like if I present an argument against some of her propositions, I'd get ripped apart. lol Reply Julie Maria says: July 14, 2019 at 11:44 pm I am a catholic who just LOVE AND ENJOY so much this almost 2 hours of a deep and dense conversation. Oh! How we need to see this: a real and sincere search for the truth. I thank you Jordan Peterson to make possible we – normal people!!! – be represented by you! I wrote a book about the women vocation and I quote Camille because she is sincere talking about a obvious fact: the maternity IS natural for women, and if you don´t link this still be truth. As catholic I would have some points to add from catholic theology and I hope to have a chance to do it 🙂 God bless you!!! And THANK YOU! Reply Gold24k says: July 14, 2019 at 11:46 pm we are still analyzing present and possible future with old history as reference, there is a new variable which has never been before and it is the pandora's box called internet. Reply Blind Wave says: July 15, 2019 at 4:58 am For anti postmodern culture visit www.maximalismrecords.com Reply Vir Quisque Vir says: July 16, 2019 at 7:36 am pathfinder – From 18 to 23, I travelled around the world teaching myself. I didn't know what to read, so I read all the Penguin Classics. READ THE ORIGINAL SOURCE. Each has its own spirit of wisdom and beauty. Do no read second or third-hand accounts. Do not even read the introduction to these classics written by someone else. Dive right into it. Immerse yourself uncritically. The Illiad, The Odyssey, The Bible, Nietzsche, Jung, Dante, the Upanishads, etc. Second, every genius had SOME bureaucratic structure to deal with – the mafia of the mediocre – Michelangelo and da Vinci had the Catholic Church, others the Roman Empire, other the Sadducees and Pharisees, etc. Genius arises from the individual, not a committee… Believe in the LOGOS operating within you, in your own thinking, evaluation, TAO, GRACE… Understand what moved geniuses of the past, catch the wind and add your own interpretation. Know what they were up against and what problem they were trying to solve. William James, Quantum Mechanics, World Religions… By the time I entered university at 23, I was so far beyond the professors that it was ridiculous… I studied at five universities in four countries in three languages up to my Ph.D. in Philosophy… Then I left academia to help my father in his business… It's a risk, life is short, go for it… With passion, enthusiasm and inspirtation. Have no fear. Believe in Divine Providence. Or you can join the mafia of the mediocre and make a safe and steady salary… I don't know… I don't know how much hardship and ridicule you can deal with… How much passion you have to drive you ahead… Good luck! Reply Vir Quisque Vir says: July 16, 2019 at 1:20 pm Sex matters. Biology matters. Hormones matter. Reply Vir Quisque Vir says: July 16, 2019 at 1:22 pm Freedom entails risk. They want the "freedom" without the risk. Whenever their free-choice risk-taking goes wrong, they want someone else to blame. Reply Vir Quisque Vir says: July 16, 2019 at 1:31 pm They want to replace men with the state. Men are superfluous. Then they complain that there are no "real men" anymore. The "real men" they envision is an impossible Disney Princess fantasy. Rich and strong and good looking and completely committed to them no matter what they do. You cannot win a boxing match while performing brain surgery. Choose! Basically, they never grew up. Reply Vir Quisque Vir says: July 16, 2019 at 1:33 pm Body language matters. Reply MikusM says: July 16, 2019 at 4:10 pm very poor representation of "the leftist" views made it easy to attack by these two Reply Erik Pendleton says: July 16, 2019 at 7:48 pm Oh, everyone else are ignorant, these two ate unfortunately their own little islands of intelligence and rationality. Reply Erik Pendleton says: July 16, 2019 at 8:15 pm 37:30. Pretty much demonstrates how much of an idiot Peterson is. Reply rick chase says: July 17, 2019 at 6:49 am Powerful conversation Reply Work Phone says: July 18, 2019 at 12:31 pm Female hysteria personifying nothing but her inner weaknesses and highly disrupting her message and its impact… Jordan please provide her with an anxiety pill script asap… Damn i need a deep breath… Speaking fast doesn't make you right or more relevant, your body language is even worse, completely obstructing your message to the world… Dislike and pass… Reply Sleepy Head says: July 18, 2019 at 1:31 pm I love how passionate she is and how JBP listened to her so intensely. Reply Pulloo 719 says: July 18, 2019 at 4:49 pm My best 1:43:03 spent on youtube. Reply Kelikaku Coutin says: July 18, 2019 at 9:19 pm To paraphrase Chris Hedges, "I don't believe in Atheists." That said, when Paglia states that although an Atheist, she advocates a foundation in the learning of religion and its rationale are of value and are a way to contextualize reality, I cannot disagree. Religion and the study of religious matters serve to put our present reality into a context that is not achieved otherwise. Good content. Keep up the good work!! בס״ד Reply Veronica Bell says: July 19, 2019 at 3:28 am Grouping women in one single quo? And men in one as well…ughhhh! Reply remy foster says: July 19, 2019 at 4:42 pm Camile Paglia is an intellectual powerhouse. It'd be really interesting to see her on Rubin's show. This is a fascinating conversation, though it was a tad hard to keep up with at times, lol. Thanks to both of you for doing it! I recall Joseph Campbell writing about mother as both goddess and monster and the importance of understanding how female can be one or both or neither at once Reply Anti Vegan says: July 19, 2019 at 10:51 pm my favorite conversation! yall are awesome Reply Rg Plumb says: July 20, 2019 at 10:06 pm Fascinating Reply Juan Ventura says: July 21, 2019 at 1:27 pm She talk Too much Reply iera says: July 22, 2019 at 11:44 am Camille has an awesome overview of history, she doesn't judge or make things personal, she just tells you what she saw when she studied cultures and civilizations Reply Butthurt Beluga says: July 22, 2019 at 5:36 pm Camille Paglia is the only person that I listen to at 1x speed Reply Phil says: July 23, 2019 at 10:35 am Camille Paglia was my Jordan Peterson when I was at university (around 2000). Love her to bits! Reply nationwidebw says: July 23, 2019 at 10:52 am I LOVE CAMILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply deenibeeniable says: July 23, 2019 at 3:29 pm The way to listen to this is one paragraph at a time. Then let it percolate for hours or days, then come back & listen to another paragraph. Take weeks or months to listen to the entire thing. Reply Mitch says: July 24, 2019 at 12:58 pm Whats the difference between Islamists wanting to enforce Sharia Law and Marxists wanting to enforcing Communism. Reply LE B says: July 25, 2019 at 12:32 am Ever see “mean girls” females work like the youngest child, They charm to get their way, then they connive, then they work the pity/weakling needing help, then they get viscous.Women have hormones too, and look as sexy as possible. They want attention, but think they are still under protection of someone, mom, teachers someone other than themselves. They are after all, Awesome! Reply Carlos Diaz says: July 25, 2019 at 12:49 am Thank you Dr. Peterson for allowing us to listen to what high level thinking sounds like. Reply Mitch says: July 25, 2019 at 9:36 am Couples who are honest with themselves acknowledge the differences between sex's. Also they play there parts well and plan together there lives. Usually when they both have university degrees and there own careers the wife would leave work to raise the kids until the youngest reaches a certain age, and the wife than goes back to the workforce. Reply Mitch says: July 25, 2019 at 9:45 am You always hear about the Single Mother but never the Single Farher looking after there children. Reply Tureco Muerde says: July 25, 2019 at 2:43 pm That zebra analogy, holy fuck LOL did Peterson just took a herd, marked it as an individual and made it his prey? Yes, he did. Ok, this guy is cool. Reply Tureco Muerde says: July 25, 2019 at 4:22 pm This lady is on point with her observation of the modern household. It is not alright to be confined to a modern house with your parents and siblings as it is today. asphyxiating comes to mind. Reply Kevin FitzMaurice says: July 26, 2019 at 1:18 am My take on Postmodernism and Constructivism: https://kevinfitzmaurice.com/free-stuff/thinking-skills/constructivism-and-postmodernism-exposed/ Reply A. says: July 26, 2019 at 1:27 am she's the unicorn represented in the hot crazy matrix that needs to be captured safely, studied and respected. what a great conversation of two brilliant minds. Reply Damian Furrer says: July 26, 2019 at 5:33 pm 58:16 And it's not the native men, since they are all murdered. Reply Damian Furrer says: July 26, 2019 at 5:59 pm 1:21:30 Their not directly terrified of the girl itself(her abillities etc.). They generally are likely evolutionarely afraid of potential other stronger and more violent males, who might just be about to smash their skull. Reply Damian Furrer says: July 26, 2019 at 6:11 pm 1:32:32 Also note, how the women imagine a hugely opressive system, in which they want to transfer the power to women.They do not want to transfer the power, in the acctual reality of our "power" structure, but in to the imagined "existing" structure. Reply deminybs says: July 26, 2019 at 7:25 pm Holy shit where does this lady get her uppers?? Hook me up lol Reply oscardriver says: July 26, 2019 at 11:49 pm THIS, should be politics. Older wise intellectuals that can listen and go way beyond what us peasants could reach or understand. Yet we do. They manage to make us wiser. Reply Controlled Swapposition says: July 27, 2019 at 12:44 am 40:04 LOL!!! These critiques are rigorous and intelligent. But why all the fear?? Both of these speakers are well aware of the patterns of civilization. Toxic masculinity has been the norm, now toxic femininity can have a turn. Is that horrible or is it natural? Is decline not inevitable? Should it be feared all the way down? Fatal? God forbid… Obviously, even if there is a rise in toxic femininity, it will eventually subside without intellectual intervention. It seems also that many economic and technological variables are being grossly under-represented (perhaps only in this particular discussion) in terms of their influence on gender roles and attitudes. Perhaps these variables are also not being fully considered in their relationship to the utility of university education, tuition finance and the natural progression of civilizations, as generally understood by history.Maybe if those factors were properly accounted for they would demonstrate that the post-modern situation is precisely as it should be,with and end heretofore unknown. Reply Cory Giesbrecht says: July 29, 2019 at 5:45 am My two favs in one room Reply Shabre' says: July 29, 2019 at 10:36 am I'm not gonna lie, it took every bit of my current brain power to understand even half of what they said, but great talk nonetheless lmao Reply CAB Life says: July 29, 2019 at 4:25 pm She’s (admittedly) not religious, but appreciates and honours the artistry of religion. Why is this concept so hard for people to fathom? Beauty is transcendent. Such a brilliant dialog. Reply countdebleauchamp says: July 29, 2019 at 8:16 pm Camille needs to chill. Reply Trevor Dutch says: July 30, 2019 at 9:51 am So right. We are a product of HISTORY. Anyone who refuses to not to include this in their understanding of their being is lost. Nothing to do with politics.Problem is they have a BIG say these days . Got to stop. Good work you people…but who is bloody well listed? They choose not to watch or learn. That's the problem. Recipe for Civil War. Ooooh My God. And yours. Vote properly otherwise …dig in. Reply sarah Owens says: July 30, 2019 at 1:01 pm More people should read slapstick by vonnegut…pretty much the same thing they are talking about with the lack of the extended family and the destruction of America. Underrated book Reply Jeremy Chen says: July 31, 2019 at 3:45 am Interesting. (vis around 5:15) I happened to find myself the target of a SJW dominance display yesterday. In annoyance, I apologised for stepping into their pit of vipers and said I would leave their array of white washed graves. (Biblical reference to Matthew 23.) Indeed. "High priests murmuring to each other." Reply Joshua Messerschmitt says: July 31, 2019 at 9:48 pm She's a female Mr. Mackey — MKAY? Reply R W says: August 1, 2019 at 1:28 pm At first I thought that the sirens heard from around 1.25.45 was the gender police arriving to arrest and detain JBP for arranging a subversive congregation.Almost surprised Jordan didnt hide under the table upon hearing them. Reply Vanessa Shimoni says: August 1, 2019 at 1:35 pm OMG, I'm in love with both of them…lol Reply jonas lan says: August 1, 2019 at 5:37 pm NOT OKAYYYYYYYYYYYYy Reply Dolly Dickinson says: August 1, 2019 at 7:53 pm Fascinating but frustrating. Coments praised JBP for being an intent listener. He is, but he had to be more than usual because she kept changing the subject. Reply Yankie Doodle says: August 2, 2019 at 1:51 pm Peterson is a charlatan. Reply Jean-Kolela Grathie says: August 2, 2019 at 9:09 pm This whole time these feminist have been playing us Reply Amr Hosny says: August 3, 2019 at 2:01 am when your brain runs faster than your mouth ! i have to watch this in 0.5 playback speed Reply Nicholas Gilmore says: August 3, 2019 at 3:53 pm Seems like you two are the snowflakes 😂😂😂🤣🤣 Reply Chance Belcher says: August 4, 2019 at 2:05 am "we're living in the delusional fantasy of a 13 year old girl." that's what's wrong in our society.—brilliant Reply Obvious Enigma says: August 4, 2019 at 3:14 am That was riveting. Paglias frantic and assertive style of communicating is refreshing. Reply Negev says: August 4, 2019 at 3:51 am Lmao. LSD destroyed their minds? Wonder if Terence ever heard her say that. Reply 4 Eyes says: August 4, 2019 at 4:40 am Well the conical narrative is deritive of the neomarxist respresentation of the infrastructure that is so prodimant in relativistic psychobiongraphy. Obviously. As a historicist, the postprestidistic neoplastisism is unintelligible. Reply vaen dryl says: August 4, 2019 at 6:51 am ….okay Reply mstf-Z waytroz says: August 4, 2019 at 2:09 pm 22:27 Reply James Incandenza says: August 4, 2019 at 3:11 pm Seems like they are speaking about Foucauldians when criticising Foucault. Reply Nancy Wenger says: August 4, 2019 at 5:56 pm Why is she so o angry? Reply Angela Marino says: August 5, 2019 at 12:45 am The only thing that sucks the vitality out of culture is an atmosphere of lies. That your lies manifest as insanity- awe poor me!!! Sorry boomer- you dug your own grave. Hope your comfort and privilege was worth it. Reply P.T. McHaineyman says: August 6, 2019 at 1:24 am On today's episode, Kermit the Frog & Woody Woodpecker discuss… Reply joachim o'keefe says: August 6, 2019 at 11:26 am "If you're talking to a man who wouldn't fight you under any circumstances, then you're talking to a man for whom you have no respect". No, Dr. P; if you can't get past some primaeval wish to size up every man you talk to for a fight, you have Daddy issues. God help us if he ever goes into gerontics. Reply Herman Melville says: August 6, 2019 at 5:08 pm SHe's a hell of a lot of fun to listen to, but good Lord being her student must be tough if you're trying to take notes. She barrels through her thoughts at a ridiculous pace. Reply Tom Burroughes says: August 6, 2019 at 7:28 pm Utterly brilliant. Paglia is dynamite. Reply Kev Yob says: August 7, 2019 at 2:31 am Right? Okay. Reply Michael H says: August 7, 2019 at 5:31 pm I couldn’t stop hearing the quiet, rapid “okays”! There are hundreds of them! Reply Joseph Kirby says: August 7, 2019 at 5:59 pm The difference in speed between their speech is disorienting as hell. Camille hits the gas as hard as possible and Jordan gently taps the break. Reply Leave a Reply Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. 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