The Perilous State of the University: Jonathan Haidt & Jordan B Peterson August 11, 2019 100 By William Hollis Related posts: Modern Times: Camille Paglia & Jordan B Peterson Biblical Series II: Genesis 1: Chaos & Order Do Ghosts Exist? Does the Bible Believe in the Paranormal? Halloween: Paranormal beliefs in America | IN 60 SECONDS CategoryArticles BlogTagsand censorship discrimination Disgust Diversity equality Equity fear feminism Free Speech freedom google memo Heterodox Academy Inclusiveness inclusivity Jonathan Haidt Jordan B Peterson Lecture Left Wing Morality NYU PC Personality philosophy Polarization Political belief Political Correctness politics Psychology Purity religion Right Wing SJW Social Justice Social Justice Warrior Social Psychology that the twitter unconscious bias University Viewpoint Diversity 100 Comments jhyrumgrant says: December 6, 2018 at 7:16 am Time for a catch up/update interview with Dr. Haidt. Great discussion! Reply Kathy O'Rourke says: December 6, 2018 at 6:27 pm Joe Scarborough (goofy though he may be) expressed very emotionally how painful his experience in university was. He felt like the only conservative willing to speak out. I felt very sad for him. Reply Kathy O'Rourke says: December 6, 2018 at 6:35 pm Religious zealots are very afraid of any opposition to their dogma and now liberals are going toward that. We now have liberal zealots. I’m a liberal but am very concerned about brittle political correctness. Reply Stephen Lawson says: December 7, 2018 at 4:22 am I enjoy these conversations with Jordan Peterson. They are so enlightening. I have personally grown since I first began to listen to people like Haidt, Peterson, Harris, Pinker, Dennet and others. Reply Robbie Medica says: December 7, 2018 at 6:14 am I hate when Haidt spontaneously lowers the volume of his voice.. It means I have to have the volume way too high for most of the video or I won't hear certain bits 😩😡 Reply Chris P says: December 7, 2018 at 5:29 pm since teachers pensions invest billions in defense industry and lockheed martin, i think teachers are by definition not liberal or maybe just ignorant that there funding yemen holocausts Reply Joe Alias says: December 7, 2018 at 10:05 pm 37:36 It's worth pointing out that what he's describing here is essentially the definition of "microaggression." I bet that many people here are inclined to ridicule the concept of microaggressions when proposed by social justice advocates while probably believing Haidt's description of the same thing directed against conservative faculty. It's a good reminder that these arguments are subtle. In fact, there is probably some validity to the concept of MA's, it's just that acknowledging their partial validity doesn't imply that SJA's are right about everything, or that their attempts to stop MA's 'by any means necessary' is acceptable. Reply Joe Alias says: December 8, 2018 at 4:38 am 1:08:00, clinically speaking, isn't a safe space necessary for a vulnerable person in combination with exposure? If a person is only ever exposed and never feels safe, that can just be traumatic and damaging, right? My understanding is the problem is not the idea of a safe space, but rather the attempt to make the entire university a safe space which is untenable. After all, a therapist's office is also considered a "safe space", right? It's a safe space for a person to process their feelings and feel supported while dealing with the stress of exposure therapy. Reply Joe Alias says: December 8, 2018 at 4:50 am As for having kids later, millennials will certainly tell you its because millenials have more debt and less spending power than previous generations have had at the same age. I don't know for sure if this is true but I sure hear it a lot. Of course, go back far enough and people get poorer and also have more kids, but I think in the past there were other reasons to have more kids, such as poor medicine and the fact that your kids could actually do some of the work. Now there is very little mortality and kids are economically useless until after 18, so people would only have them when they feel prepared to support them for the next two decades at least. Reply D Lee says: December 8, 2018 at 5:53 pm Johnathan Haidt seems like a real sweetheart Reply hifibrony says: December 11, 2018 at 6:23 pm While I continue to think that Peterson is very wrong about religion I have come to the conclusion that he asks many other questions that are very worthy of deep thought and offers ideas worth considering. And Haidt is always sheer pleasure to listen to. Reply John Fisher says: December 12, 2018 at 8:16 pm A fascinating discussion with the two coolest dudes in North America. I totally loose track of time when I listen to either of these two great men speak. I read Hadit's book, The Righteous Mind back in like 2015. I came across Jordan Peterson just a few months ago in a Youtube video on how to argue effectively (featuring his interview with Cathy Newman). Since then I have watched several hours of his classroom videos on his site. I was going to send him an e-mail saying he should consider adding The Righteous Mind to his recommended reading list till I came across this video…Of course they have known each other for over 20 years.I totally agree with Karen's comment below. Only if I am being honest, it was Robbin Williams tragic death that moved these guys to the top of my "People I want to meet before I die" list. Reply Ryan Wissinger says: December 14, 2018 at 10:11 am Great conversation, terrible microphones Reply Try for the Sky says: December 14, 2018 at 8:00 pm Hmm. Interesting! Haidt says he thinks schools should forbid young earth creationists from access to education in geology programs? I'm… not sure that's a coherent approach likely to have optimal results for society. How about just not compromising in how geology is TAUGHT, but allowing anyone in (even those you think are profoundly misguided) so that they can learn a bit from you, and you can probably learn a bit from their unique perspective too (even if it's just where certain weak spots in your argument are so you can strengthen them)? Similar to the social sciences. Let the lunatic SJWs study as students… but don't let them teach. Let them get the grades their ideas are worth (probably too low to graduate — but you never know! Here and there you might get an interesting perspective from them worth considering further). But I'm skeptical of Haidt's conclusion (though I understand the instinct) that banning students (however crazy we might think them) from entry into university programs in the right approach. Let them flunk out if they earn failing grades — DEFINITELY. Conform the curriculum to their crazy demands — definitely NOT. But let them in the door to study? I'd say: 'Yes'. And just don't be afraid to let them fail (whether their mental health isn't up to it, or their intellect isn't up to it, etc). Unless I'm misunderstanding and he's talking about screening criteria for faculty. But it sure sounds like he's talking about screening students. I get Haidt's panic — I do. But in reaching for an immediate stop-gap measure (banning students he thinks 'problematic' from entering in the first place), he's falling into a leftist trap and tendency (banning people/ideas), and he's missing an obvious solution: the universities should Man Up, basically. Embrace the 'hierarchical patriarchy' (or whatever) of setting academic standards and then holding people to them. You don't have to ban students — you just have to stop letting them walk all over you. Support your professors to TEACH (and to not have to fear their students). Dismiss 100% of "racism/sexism" complaints that don't come with incontrovertible video evidence showing both act and unmistakeable intent such that a reasonable person (not a crazy person) would consider a complaint justified, so professors don't have to live in fear of smears. Don't be afraid to grade stupid student assertions with an 'F'. Don't be afraid to let them flunk out of their classes or school (don't interpret the university's obligation to students as including 'graduation' — NO ONE is entitled to graduate without having proven adequate competence in their field! If students of any given year(s) are uniquely incompetent, even en masse, don't be afraid to flunk them all). Don't artificially subsidize their incompetence; if they need to improve their mental health before being present on campus, let them run into that roadblock. Don't put universities in the position of being nanny of mentally incompetent mobsters. THAT'S the untenable position. If you just hold your ground and refuse to cower before the crazies, you solve the problem. These people RELY on institutions crumbling before them. Just don't crumble. When you calmly don't give in to them, they're actually not strong. Reply KC Consciousness says: December 18, 2018 at 2:29 am If universities like the University of Chicago are really concerned about truth, then they should not be charging $51000 plus a year for it . Truth should not only be available to those that can afford it. I wonder if he recommends any other universities that are affordable? Reply DaNimalLecToR says: December 22, 2018 at 9:34 am Peterson is forming a dirty dozen , Inglorious bastards cue the A,team montage music Reply Skeleton997 says: December 24, 2018 at 5:29 am JH imho is a genuine intellectual. Honest liberals will eventually come to the conservative side because the moral grounding is more "grounded". Peterson is more precise in his use of language/speech than Haidt. It is obvious. Reply Ace says: December 26, 2018 at 12:38 am OMG. I'm so late to this party. I have known and followed Dr. Peterson for a while now but I found out about Dr. Haidt only after he came on Bill Maher. Hated the part where Bill kept interrupting Dr. Haidt. Then I watched NYU School of Law's The Forum with Dr. Haidt, just finished reading Coddling of The American Mind (the book) two days back, and here I am, discovering the two legends sharing ideas and wisdom. Wish this video never ended. Reply Rene Descartes says: December 27, 2018 at 6:28 am Perrearon is a clinical psychologist. Haidt is a social psychologist, so when it comes to talk and explain social behavior and issues, Haidt is who has all the expertise and answers. Peterson is better at focusing at create personal introspective, so he is more like a personal coach for a lot of people. In many ways, both doing a great job, but there are certain things I completely disagree with Peterson. Excellent talk though. Reply TVSkuke says: December 28, 2018 at 5:45 am Just got The Righteous Mind!!! Reply William Fitzgerald says: December 29, 2018 at 4:22 am I've read The Righteous Mind and it opens up so much more stuff that's going on around us. Even though I've told people this (some professors) they don't listen to what I'm telling them that's within his book. Reply DJ Kairos says: December 29, 2018 at 8:48 am 10:38 Actually, Austrian philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein was the first one to suggest that notion in his "Philosophische Untersuchungen" when he wrote about language games: "If a lion could speak, we could not understand him." Reply savita purohit says: December 30, 2018 at 9:21 pm It is not just an anglo problem. `it's been going on India too Reply Rory Mannion says: January 2, 2019 at 10:23 am Fantastic leaders and thinkers. Really enjoyed the talk. Thanks very much. Reply John Smith says: January 2, 2019 at 2:17 pm I have listened to this video several times and I am compelled to beg to differ with Dr. Haidt about his description of the right at this point 38:23, it is imperative to note the following that I have been contemplating for the past 13 years (Michael Savage got me onto this in 2005). IT IS NOT THE RIGHT that has/had moved farther to the right, it only APPEARS this way and, it’s through the media and other forces that the LEFT ( from the mid 1970’s ) has ever so imperceptibly, slightly, and slowly ( over time ) moved the center of the political spectrum to the right and has taken up and convoluted the right’s territory so as to make it appear as though the right are/were all extremists, even the sane ones who USED to occupy the area slightly to the right of center ! Demonizing them even if they are/were anywhere right of the Old original correct center. It took me a very long time to realize this, I too thought that the right had moved farther right, it’s simply NOT true, and then I thought “ satan you sneaky little fucking brilliant bastard !”. You manipulated these poor fucking unwitting humans into believing things about the political spectrum that don’t exist, just another reason why satan will spend an eternity in the lake of fire ! Reply michael phelps says: January 5, 2019 at 3:37 am I question the Mr P who seems to think he is saying something new. I except that he knows something. It is not news. Reply Neo Sav says: January 5, 2019 at 1:35 pm The way jordan Peterson uses his hands when he talks makes me think he’s an undercover Italian Reply Colin Labrie Gagné says: January 7, 2019 at 1:23 am man, it's a rare thing to see two people who are genuinely interested in discussing rationally about topics. Reply MellSBreaker says: January 9, 2019 at 10:30 am I'm trying to get a scholarship from the University of Toronto in psychology.Dr. Peterson better not leave there before I arrive. Reply Frank de Jong says: January 10, 2019 at 4:46 pm Awesome dialogue. I wish I could redo the audio processing tho. Its unbearable on headphones. I guess that means ill vote republican too funny enough hahaha Reply Power to Truth says: January 10, 2019 at 6:58 pm Ca ca ca can't we all.. just get along? Reply Rowdy Zek says: January 11, 2019 at 6:18 am See how his hair is shorter on the sides? THAT MEANS HES NAZI CHECKMATE IDW Reply GnO Thseed says: January 11, 2019 at 7:19 pm Jonathan Haidt is the new Jordan b Peterson Reply rose fiend says: January 13, 2019 at 6:36 pm Hurrah! Reply Xenomorpheus says: January 14, 2019 at 1:20 am It is a personal tragedy that compared to these two, I am so primitive, uncultured, unaware, unable to speak clearly, succinctly and with such breath of topics. I wish there was such a thing as mentor-ship of of the mind. Reply cynthia ferguson says: January 14, 2019 at 11:06 pm its exciting to see these two men together…i have started following both on youtube separately..wonderful to see they had a previous connection. Reply pagansforbreakfast says: January 16, 2019 at 10:29 pm Brick and Mortar universities need to go the way of the dinosaur. Reply Mifos says: January 18, 2019 at 3:55 pm 12:40 Peterson is always harping on us to clean our rooms. People with clean rooms are more likely to vote conservative. Illuminati confirmed? Reply Amitkumar Pal says: January 20, 2019 at 5:01 pm No, it's not only an anglosphere problem… I am watching these things happening in India. Reply awuma says: January 22, 2019 at 6:06 pm 51:37 I'm glad to see that somebody else has observed that the illiberal (or whatever) disease is a peculiarly Five Eyes phenomenon. I think there are some reasons for this: (1) these are all post-colonial, post-imperial countries, which have a history of severe exploitation in their founding and development, resulting in conflict with the newly-woken exploited and dispossessed races; (2) the English language is very gender-neutral, unlike Romance languages, and even more so, the Slavonic languages (where even verbs are gendered). Hence complex feelings of guilt regarding race and a disconnection between sex and gender are more likely to grow and express themselves in countries like the UK, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand than in France, Italy, Poland and Russia, say. Furthermore, the Five Eyes have chosen to repopulate largely by immigration, whereas Eastern Europeans want to replicate themselves and preserve their identities. These social evolutionary processes perhaps affect how individuals on average behave. Reply Elizabeth De Sousa says: January 24, 2019 at 5:35 pm Tom Campbell – My Big Toe Reply T J says: January 25, 2019 at 10:51 pm Kurzweil's book is actually called How To Create A Mind Reply Maureen says: January 27, 2019 at 4:32 am From 1:30 onward is the crux of the matter. Teachers have responsibilities to their students and their parents. To use the children or young people for indoctrination of your own ideology is a failure of professionalism. Reply timtak1 says: January 27, 2019 at 5:57 am Professor Peterson likes looking at his hands. Reply James Morris says: January 27, 2019 at 9:13 pm I would love to see a conversation between Jordan Peterson and David Sloan Wilson. It seems like there's a great deal of overlap between their ideas. That would be very interesting. Reply Janey Imaani - Emotional Awareness says: January 29, 2019 at 11:58 pm “We have a duty to speak the truth and educate not indoctrinate” Love this, must speak truth as see it 💕 Reply Liam Howard says: January 30, 2019 at 3:05 am All this is a result of opinion journalism taking center stage beginning around the turn of the millennium with massive investments into CNN and FOX. Turning opinion and polarization into profits. That coinciding with drastic improvements in communications that offer a platform for espousing opinions on social networks. There used to be 5 channels the whole country would watch. In a way we were tamed by them. When social networking came along suddenly there were 300 million different channels and everyone was tuned in to a different one. Click bait journalism soon ensued then huge corporations risking %50 of their customer base by politicizing their ads. Thats all. We are living in a new age of information. If you trace back the lineage of the most violent conflicts in world history they usually coincided with drastic improvements in communications. It’s actually pretty terrifying what these two are talking about. We could possibly be seeing exactly what happened in the early stages of nazism. The silent majority afraid to stand up for fear of repercussions. What happens when these people totally infiltrate our governments? Reply Metaphix says: February 1, 2019 at 10:34 am These are the calmer heads that prevail. In 2040 we'll look back at all of this and these 2 will stand above as voices of reason. Reply Metaphix says: February 1, 2019 at 10:40 am Open minds and diversity of thought???? THATS WHAT A NAZI WOULD WANT /s Reply Josh Sargeant says: February 5, 2019 at 9:35 pm fantastic conversation Reply David Henson says: February 8, 2019 at 5:15 pm I can't keep up. It is an act of intellectual fluidity, and surprisingly beautiful like a Bach fugue. That this level of discourse is declining in society is lamentable, but for universities to discontinue it and the Socratic method, and encourage Postmodernism is a disaster of the highest order. Thank you, Professor Peterson. You are doing us all a great service. Reply Lostfinding333 says: February 13, 2019 at 11:45 am I was talking the other day about this agression/play in kids, then I realised… isn't this what happens to with sex/sexual aggression where people now cannot tell apart rape and saying that someone looks nice? Isn't the same thing? Any thoughts? Reply qikese says: February 17, 2019 at 1:51 pm What a pleasure to hear Dr. Peterson talking to someone at his level. It’s so rare that anyone comes close. That made this video a true joy to listen to despite the gravity of the topic. I feel slightly more optimistic hearing some of Dr. Haitd’s ideas for solutions and also that there are some initiatives already underway with results that are looking positive thus far. I’m late in viewing this. At the time of this writing, this video is over a year old, so I’m going to take a look to see if there’s an update. If there isn’t, I’d like to suggest this exercise be repeated at least once a year to give us an update on how both feel things are going in the universities. I’d be very interested to hear thoughts on how things appear to be trending. Reply Capt Zdq says: February 17, 2019 at 2:15 pm It's stereotyping to say that the right is conservative and the left is progressive, and it's a false construct. Trump supporters, for instance, are against the status quo, because it's extremist n left-wing , n leftists are in favour of it for the same reasons. A tax cut is a change, so it's not conservative. And rightists have reform parties and advocate political and judicial reforms. Luddites are left-wing, and the people most against space exploration are leftists. And most scientists are leftists and are ultra-conservative. Etc. etc. And political 'correctnes'' is very repressive, intolerant, and illiberal, and is very far to the left and very fundamentally leftist, n, in fact, originated in communism, n is sometimes called cultural communism. So the political spectrum can't be framed as 'conservative right' n 'liberal left,' it can only be framed as right and left. And just because a child is more cautious doesn't necessarily mean he or she is particulary conservative. And there's positive change and negative change, a fact which doesn't seem to be recognized. Reply Paul The Legend says: February 18, 2019 at 5:23 pm "When you throw out a sophisticated religious structure, an unsophisticated religious structure comes in to fill the gap." -JP Holy crap, that's huge. I can't believe he said that as a passing thought. Reply Jeremy Battle says: February 19, 2019 at 1:56 pm Haidt doesn't agree with most of Peterson's delusional ramblings. In fact, Haidt is quite the anti-rationalist, and Peterson seems to glorify rationalism and reason. Reply alkafrazin says: February 22, 2019 at 10:38 am This isn't just a problem in schools, or police, or institutions, this is something fundamentally happening at every level of government and the vast majority of business operating in or targeting north american and european nations.It is completely pervasive and fucking TERRIFYING that so much as being an artist, or a writer, you have to worry about drawing or writing something that someone disagrees with, and being permanently labeled. I've seen so many artists who are preempting this by completely shutting out communities that they loved working with because they might potentially be targeted in the future. Reply Vince H says: February 26, 2019 at 2:20 pm The Force is strong with these two. Reply R Man says: February 27, 2019 at 2:20 am We built this thing behind don't be prejudiced its all they are Reply luca P says: February 27, 2019 at 5:34 am I'm studying social work in Australia and I'm so frustrated by the lack of encouragement to criticize ideas. I had a professor who told me if I did an essay that criticized feminism I would get an instant fail because it's not in consensus with the majority of evidence. I actually really disrespect the discipline at this point it's just tribalism. Reply LohnS says: March 4, 2019 at 10:26 am How did I not see this video. I even saw JBP live the other week in Melbourne. What an amazing discussion.Everyone should see this. Reply EL RUMBO FILMS says: March 15, 2019 at 3:33 am Minute 51:50 they say it is only in the Anglo countries that this is happening, no man! here in Chile is the same shit. I study psychology and I am literally afraid to disagree in class, even though, I always positioned myself on the left Reply Drew Griffin says: March 15, 2019 at 9:33 am No microphone for Jonathan? Wtf Reply discarded tao says: March 17, 2019 at 3:31 am the left, even when they are on the right, have to divide. Reply The Great Dictator says: March 20, 2019 at 3:41 pm Anyone wondering how these 2 brilliant minds can be so humble…? And why is it we are voting for politicians in the 1st place…? Reply aemilius says: March 23, 2019 at 4:34 pm Has anyone found the article that Jordan describes about self-organization of the brain that was reviewed in Ray Kurzweil's book? I would be very interested in reading that. Reply 602GRIND says: April 4, 2019 at 2:26 am As a musician I never would have imagined that an intellectual conversation could be as entertaining as any form of art. Discussions like these are a breath of fresh air in today's world. Reply J W says: April 8, 2019 at 1:31 am As we discuss Anxiety and Depression, should we discuss BPA ?? Reply SouLitaFire says: April 10, 2019 at 7:16 pm -Admire these two their books are so much to digest but actually something deep and important to humanity in this day and age of so much junk. Reply capitalist4life says: April 10, 2019 at 10:32 pm I love Haidt's newfound appreciation for free market capitalism Reply robert syrus says: May 4, 2019 at 11:01 pm Ew! two older white dudes talking. #Disgusted Reply Oak 88 says: May 10, 2019 at 2:33 pm This is an amazing meeting of two great minds but the sound is ass Reply J S says: May 10, 2019 at 8:21 pm I disagree with the Jonathan's premise that "everything is a social construct". That's akin to saying that floatation is a social construct when we see a leaf on the surface of water. A boat MAY be a social construct in that the innateness of the leaf floating on the surface due to relative weight displacement over a liquid, may be replicated by the construction of a device that mimics the proper proportions of displacement. Their subsequent allowance of the "underlying biological reality" is acknowledged but diminished in importance or result. This diminishment, again, is counter to my leaf analogy in that, if we removed the physics of weight displacement, then the social construct of boats is meaningless.Construct implies an action taken by a group or individual to build. This is why objects such as the pyramids or skyscrapers hold a certain awe about them as marvels of human cohesion toward a singular expression.I think that there are intellectual constructs that individuals may agree upon. Some may even be agreed upon by many, but I know of none that are universal.Once agreed upon, they then become a social expression, but not a construct.Ideas don't become social constructs, they may become social expressions. We don't organize to think a certain thing. We converse and debate and persuade. Whoever has the dominating position by virtue of strength, reason, majority, etc. gets to proscribe the winning or agreed upon expression. Then, to observe from a distance, becomes a construct.In that vein, I think that gender may be a sexual or social expression, but not a construct. Society didn't decide that biological males may express themselves as women. Individuals did. Society, as represented by individuals, may or may not agree with that.Everything that individuals and, ergo, societies have agreed upon about gender come after the fact of the physics, i.e. biology.My ideas, in the works, at present. I'd love to get some feedback. Reply David Lupica says: May 11, 2019 at 12:04 am Funny they don’t consider biological change as a catalyst for the leftists transformation. Philosophers are blessed with the intellect of gods, but they often forget they live in a society of insects Reply J D says: May 12, 2019 at 10:32 pm 1:21:45 – YES IT IS! Reply Jarvy Mcmunn says: May 16, 2019 at 8:45 pm Man that guy talking to Jordan …his voice is all over the place, varying pitch & volume.can hardly hear him at times….JUST HIM! Reply Jarvy Mcmunn says: May 16, 2019 at 8:51 pm Man that guy talking to Jordan …his voice is all over the place, varying pitch & volume.can hardly hear him at times….JUST HIM! Reply yaczone says: May 22, 2019 at 1:42 am Jordan, please consider some audio processing like dynamic compression. Jonathan Haidt has LOTS of diversity in audio volume, which makes quiet moments very hard to hear and then he gets really loud and blasts the listener. Running the recording through that processing will even it out more and be more pleasant. Otherwise with speakers like this, it can really be maddening to listen to. Reply en anden says: May 23, 2019 at 6:13 am In my kids school in denmark, my kids are not allowed to choose who they play with in recess, they are assigned kids to play with, and they are not allowed to combine groups or teams. There are some kids that exploit that by lying about kids leaving/teasing them if they wont play the game they decided. They say it is better for them, and we have to believe them because they where taught pedagogy. Reply Tim Whiting says: May 23, 2019 at 6:47 pm This can heal our country ! Long form discussions with our great thinkers and live comments so people can understand what's at stake. and we absolutely need to love our neighbors and even go out of our way to treat people with respect that deserve it and work on helping the people who dont instead of isolating them. Reply Melody Yan says: May 25, 2019 at 1:15 pm To be fair… Evolution theory is seriously flawed though. I wouldn't consider it anti-science. I would consider those who don't want to reject the hypothesis when given many evidence stating that their hypothesis is wrong anti-science. Reply Melody Yan says: May 25, 2019 at 1:25 pm Perhaps conservatives are more practical. They don't consider studying sociology as a good life choice… Reply nancina49 says: May 28, 2019 at 4:46 am Timeless information! Reply KanchoKomancho says: June 9, 2019 at 9:16 am Two beacons of reason, rationality and enlightenment in the era of quasi-progresivist (that is PC/anti-risk-taking/men-demonizing feminist/postmodernist/collectivist/ victimhood-propagating SJWs/perpetual adolescent culture advocating/anti-accountability entitlement seeking) tyranny Reply current_interest says: June 21, 2019 at 4:19 am Westernism post-enlightenment perhaps is sterile. It has a sterile morality, a sterile population. I love the west but I worry for it because it can't get in its body, and anger too for that matter. Reply Trayton Sutherland says: June 29, 2019 at 4:09 pm I really wish I could watch that original hour conversation at Harvard Reply Rajan Rangarajan says: July 4, 2019 at 2:43 am Do you think Youtube ever "recomended" this video to any left /Liberal/SJW/GenZ person? Nope. Reply Noah Manalo says: July 4, 2019 at 3:08 am Two men who interested me in delving deeper into the realm of psychology. Now considering it for graduate study. So, it’s been confusing but also a blessing! Reply Rajan Rangarajan says: July 4, 2019 at 3:20 am 1:02:22 They will intimidate / shame your /infront of your family. It is already happening. Reply Rajan Rangarajan says: July 4, 2019 at 3:28 am There is a parallel in Economics. Providing so called "safety net" which is basically free money without a purpose is EXACTLY opposite of what we should be doing to the so called poor in this country. Reply Rajan Rangarajan says: July 4, 2019 at 3:34 am Jordan & Jonathan. The neo-marxistis left had already secured the vote of the "poor" by making them economically dependent on higher authority aka govenment. Now the same left has successfully conqured the young mind by making then "morally dependent " to higher authority. This GenZ is incapable of functioning on their own , they need the "govenment" even for their mere existance. The left has created a situation which makes this Genz feel "un-safe" and will perpetually vote for the "savior". Lot of parallels to the politics of the "economically poor" and the "morally poor" people. And I think this is very deliberate and viciously well orchestrated. Reply rareword says: July 7, 2019 at 10:48 am Two of the best modern thinkers. Reply JUANCARLOS M says: July 12, 2019 at 10:00 pm Incredible conversation Reply Angel Alvarado says: July 13, 2019 at 7:10 am Please interview him again Dr you looked very tired during this interview Reply Adam says: July 22, 2019 at 9:37 pm The problem is that we’re still trying to compartmentalize the Left-Right paradigm when in fact, that paradigm was created by deceptive Hegelian practitioners to cause society to be at odds with itself, to the end of avoiding the overthrow of the powers that be, whether by democratic means or by force. Left- Right paradigm isn’t real – it is a construct (for those post-modernists out there that want to talk about constructed socio-economic realities). Know how I know this? Because the moment I decided to step away from party lines, I began to take on a portfolio of perspectives, characteristics, values etc. that normally are not found together but are viewed by sociologists with an “either / or” scenario. I’m open-minded, naturally “progressive” in my ability to forsake traditions of men but yet my values align themselves with a very ancient set of beliefs that “the Left” would say is dogmatic and backwards. I’m neither accepted by the Left nor the Right because I am able and often do pick and choose what I will embrace from either side and throw away anything that is inconsistent with reality and Truth, based on my thoughtful research and learning. This is simply because my allegiance is to Truth rather than tradition, popular opinion or post-modern viewpoints or some “team” and I have found that often times both parties are guilty of the same sorts of things that they condemn “the other” for, albeit each has a different manifestation of their hypocrisy. Point is, when you step outside of the Left-Right paradigm, you begin taking on all the healthy and helpful aspects of each party’s perspectives and you’ll begin throwing away the stuff that isn’t validated on a factual basis interpreted by sound logic, providing consistent results. Get it right: when you curse party lines, you’ll begin gravitating towards viewpoints backed by: Facts, interpreted w/ sound logic and proven as such by demonstrating consistent, accurate results, observable in the real world. Admittedly though, there seems to be considerably less healthy and helpful viewpoints coming from the left, or perhaps let’s say “liberal” mindsets with a twinge of left politics. I would say in general, their helpful ideas are as follows: 1) Question of authority and the mainstream system’s benevolence. Given that I believe there are nefarious, unseen forces at work in this world, I couldn’t agree more. Question the mainstream narrative – it is probably leaving something out or is altogether fabricated. Ironically, the Left is the group that is doling out this mainstream narrative, so apply their own tenets against them! 2) Individualism – celebrate the differences. I agree here, but not at the expense of ostracizing individuals that hold traditional characteristics, such as being a straight, white male. The Left has invalidated their benevolence in this cause by simply dishing out a form of bigotry and discrimination towards those they claim are guilty of the same. 3) Take care of the needy – I agree here, but because it is a Biblical idea in the Torah – to tend to the orphans, widows and sick. But it also expects us to do so on a PERSONAL basis, not by the “collective”. Reply Amanda V says: July 28, 2019 at 10:15 pm Anyone else get the impression the Haidt is a bit irritated by Peterson? Reply JimHalfpenny says: July 30, 2019 at 2:30 am 9:45 Innate definition. Very thought provoking. Reply Austin Little says: July 30, 2019 at 6:22 pm Dude's got the NPR whisper but not a whisper talk down to a science. Reply Steve Biancardi says: July 31, 2019 at 3:10 am Dr Peterson you remain as a progenitor of transition for me…thank you Reply Pepto Abysmal Art says: August 3, 2019 at 12:13 am What an incredible conversation!!! Reply Leave a Reply Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.